Chinese Medicine Times Acupuncture Forum http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/ Discussion on acupuncture, Chinese herbal medicine and other related topics en Tue, 21 May 2013 20:41:15 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/images/misc/rss.png Chinese Medicine Times Acupuncture Forum http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/ Stomach Qi Deficiency or something else? http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?127-Stomach-Qi-Deficiency-or-something-else&goto=newpost Thu, 16 May 2013 17:40:26 GMT First of all, hello everyone! Health issues I earn somehow last few years made me investigate a lot. As I am against drugs and hiding causes using... First of all, hello everyone!
Health issues I earn somehow last few years made me investigate a lot. As I am against drugs and hiding causes using them, TCM took my attention. Before couple of days, I have visited acupuncturist, an Chinese MD and after he checked my pulse, eyes (which are red), tongue (which is white), and something on back of my neck, he told me i have problems with my Stomach, low energy or something like that, and also that i think too much. Also, he told me that he can help me with 10 treatments of acupuncture. I plan to start doing treatments, but, I'm in doubt if he's right. It's true that i think too much (job require that from me), I'm constantly stressed, anxious, under pressure and so on, and it is true that i have problems with my stomach (i notice i feel much better if i eat only vegetables), problems with constipation, bloated abdomen etc. But there's other symptoms I have, that made me think if i have problems with Kidney Yin, Kidney Yang?!

They are:
-Hard to cope with stress (burning feeling in my back and malar flush with mental confusion),
-Hair loss, thin hair,
-Red eyes,
-Dry skin,
-Chicken skin (aka keratosis pilaris),
-Red cheeks,
-Peeling nose,
-Sometimes cold hands and feet - especially when stressed, than shaking too, like i have to energy to fight,
-Problems with memory,
-Mood swings,
-Depression,
-Craving sweets (much more when stressed),
-White tongue,
-Constipation,
-Bloated abdomen,
-Visible veins on legs,
-Sometimes pain in knees and elbows
And one of the most annoying, tinnitus at night (very high frequency).
Insomnia. So hard to sleep. Waking frequently (often to go to bathroom), that stand up make me dizzy..

Reading all this again, to check if i miss something, made me think i'm really screwed up (maybe too much for 23 y/o), people say it's just in my head, but i know something's wrong and i want to fix it soonest as possible.
I think i have some problems with kidneys (yin or yang, not pretty sure), MD say stomach, what do you think?

P.S. My symptoms almost disappear if i eat only vegetables, avoid sugar and alcohol, and sleep 10 hours. But, i have so much problems to fall a sleep...

Maybe post is so long, but I'm still sure i forgot to write something... Did i wrote memory problems? Oh, i did. :)

Thanks in advance,

Best regards,

O. ]]> Case Studies Orm http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?127-Stomach-Qi-Deficiency-or-something-else Alpha 1 Anti-Trypsin Deficiency http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?125-Alpha-1-Anti-Trypsin-Deficiency&goto=newpost Mon, 13 May 2013 15:30:02 GMT Would you prescribe herbs to someone with a alpha 1 anti-trypsin deficiency? As their liver function is weak and could be aggrevated by the taking of... Would you prescribe herbs to someone with a alpha 1 anti-trypsin deficiency? As their liver function is weak and could be aggrevated by the taking of herbs. ]]> Herbal Medicine attilio http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?125-Alpha-1-Anti-Trypsin-Deficiency Overheated buttocks http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?122-Overheated-buttocks&goto=newpost Fri, 10 May 2013 21:39:47 GMT The thread title is not a joke. I have a patient who complains of intermittent overheated buttocks when she is walking, during the daytime. I was at... The thread title is not a joke. I have a patient who complains of intermittent overheated buttocks when she is walking, during the daytime. I was at a loss for words, and for a diagnosis. The best I could think of is a channel differentiation involving the bladder channel, but that wasn't very satisfying; for example, why just that segment of the channel and not the rest of it. The patient does frequently suffer liver Qi stagnation with heat, so I wondered if it was, 'stagnant heat invading the buttocks' (ok, that bit was a joke). But seriously, even if stagnant heat, why buttocks? Any ideas? ]]> Case Studies ericcartman http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?122-Overheated-buttocks Lipid Control and Acupuncture http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?121-Lipid-Control-and-Acupuncture&goto=newpost Fri, 10 May 2013 12:39:18 GMT Hello esteemed colleagues Just a question ,does anyone know of any articles written re the lipid control with acupuncture? We are all aware of the... Hello esteemed colleagues
Just a question ,does anyone know of any articles written re the lipid control with acupuncture?
We are all aware of the benefits of exercise (including thai chi etc) and the lipid profile but I just wondered if there has been any research in acupuncture points (leaving herbs out for a moment) and lipid control.
Grateful for any input.
Christopher ]]> Acupuncture christopherperko http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?121-Lipid-Control-and-Acupuncture Extraordinary Vessel Treatment that I learned from Koei Kuwahara. http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?118-Extraordinary-Vessel-Treatment-that-I-learned-from-Koei-Kuwahara&goto=newpost Mon, 06 May 2013 12:52:31 GMT Extraordinary Vessel Treatment by Kazuto Miyawaki that I learned from my teacher Koei Kuwahara. This is a treatment I use on almost all my clients... Extraordinary Vessel Treatment by Kazuto Miyawaki that I learned from my teacher Koei Kuwahara.
This is a treatment I use on almost all my clients before needling main meridians.

1. Palpate abdomen for reflex areas/alarm points for the eight extraordinary meridians and make note of tender areas.

2. Treat master point on side reflex was most tender and its couple point on opposite side.. I use 800 Gauss magnets. Negative side down on master point and positive side down for couple on opposite side. I only treat 1 or 2 eight extra meridians in any treatment. The link to paper below also describes using direct moxa or needles.

3. Retest reflex area. there should be a noticeable decrease in tenderness. I leave magnets for about 5 or 10 minutes.

For example, If dai mai reflex is tender on both sides but more so on right and Yin Qiao Mai reflex is tender on left side, Put negative side of magnet toward body on right GB 41 and positive side down on Left SJ 5. To treat left side Yin Qiao Mai put negative side of magnet toward body on left K6 and positive side down on right LU 7.

For a more complete description and diagrams of reflex areas see PDF below
http://www.culia.net/images/EV_2008.pdf

http://www.culia.net/txharischeduleh.html

There is no need to worry about over treating because if the meridian does not need treating the reflex area will not be tender.
The Accu-Band 800 Magnets I use have a nipple or a tiny protrusion on the bionorth (-) side of the magnet. ]]> Acupuncture williamtell http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?118-Extraordinary-Vessel-Treatment-that-I-learned-from-Koei-Kuwahara Does the BacC offer value for money? If so, then why so? http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?117-Does-the-BacC-offer-value-for-money-If-so-then-why-so&goto=newpost Mon, 06 May 2013 12:14:24 GMT At £600 a year, compared to the Acupuncture society at £90 a year and I think ATCM is also £90, why is the BaCc worth 5x more than its competitors?... At £600 a year, compared to the Acupuncture society at £90 a year and I think ATCM is also £90, why is the BaCc worth 5x more than its competitors? any thoughts? ]]> General Discussion ericcartman http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?117-Does-the-BacC-offer-value-for-money-If-so-then-why-so Shin Splints http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?116-Shin-Splints&goto=newpost Sat, 04 May 2013 18:12:13 GMT Has anyone treated this with any success? I have a patient asking about it, I said I don't know but I will look it up. I looked it up and found I think three papers. One Chinese, two non-Chinese. Of the non-Chinese, one was a case study, which resolved it with a single treatment. This case was reported by a medical doctor, which may or may not give the report more authority, depending on one's point of view. The other was a case series and I can't remember off the top of my head what the findings were, but the Chinese paper had a large sample size, about 200 people and found good results for early treatment, but poor results for late presenting cases. It was difficult to determine what timescales were being talked about because the time ranges were described as for example 10-40 d. I guessed this must be days. If that is the case, my patient is out of luck because she has had the condition for many years. If anyone has any clinical experience to add to this I would be grateful. ]]> Case Studies ericcartman http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?116-Shin-Splints Nick Pahl announces the future vision of acupuncture. What does this mean? http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?115-Nick-Pahl-announces-the-future-vision-of-acupuncture-What-does-this-mean&goto=newpost Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:42:41 GMT In the April edition of the osteopath magazine, Nick Pahl offers his vision of the future of acupuncture

He states

'Senior practitioners believe that there is a need to de-mystify misconceptions about the Traditional Chinese Medicine approach. As a result new partnerships are being forged with like minded associations, for example the recent acupuncture research resource centre symposium, involved the acupuncture association of chartered physiotherapists, the register of Chinese herbal medicine, The Association of Chinese Medicine and BAcC.'

Out of these associations, which ones need TCM demystifying, and why?

The article goes on to invite osteopaths to join in dialogues on acupuncture and the conference of acupuncture and oriental medicine in September. Is this an attempt at educating the osteopathic profession as to the skills of professional Acupuncturists, or a softening approach inviting fast tracking of ac training in the healthcare field, and an advert for the BAcC as their governing body?

Are we being sold out by our own profession?

To read the article:
http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/uploads...ilmay_2013.pdf ]]> Acupuncture Lisa http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?115-Nick-Pahl-announces-the-future-vision-of-acupuncture-What-does-this-mean BAcC Approves PG masters in Ac to health care professionals http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?114-BAcC-Approves-PG-masters-in-Ac-to-health-care-professionals&goto=newpost Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:04:36 GMT Middlesex university is offering post graduate diplomas to healthcare professionals, in acupuncture and herbal medicine. BAcC have approved the... Middlesex university is offering post graduate diplomas to healthcare professionals, in acupuncture and herbal medicine.
BAcC have approved the acupuncture courses and the Chinese medicine course by the EHTPA.

I have mixed sentiments on this one, for those holding a medical degree, but studying TCM theory and Acupuncture practice, a shortened course, not needing to cover medical study but with a thorough grounding in TCM theory, is more than sufficient, to qualify as BSc. In acupuncture.

The thing that confuses me is that I understood gaining a masters degree, required first that you qualify with a BSc. And then to achieve a Masters qualification requires 2 years post grad study of the topic in hand, not of a completely different subject to the degree?

So being offered by Middlesex university and approved by the BAcC is a fast track to MSc. only for those with a healthcare qualification.

How do all of the Acupuncturists out there, with BSc. view this? Especially those made to jump through the hoops of gaining BAcC membership?

How do professional herbalists feel about this, having studied 4 yrs full time to gain merely a BSC. Qualification?

Maybe I have misunderstood the qualification process?
Does anyone else see the discrepancies here? ]]> Acupuncture Lisa http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?114-BAcC-Approves-PG-masters-in-Ac-to-health-care-professionals Qi Gong Basic Techniques and Sects http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?113-Qi-Gong-Basic-Techniques-and-Sects&goto=newpost Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:12:33 GMT Qi Gong Basic Techniques and Sects by Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac. 04/29/2013 1, Control body is to hold a posture to sooth... Qi Gong Basic Techniques and Sects

by Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac. 04/29/2013

1, Control body is to hold a posture to sooth body qi smoothly activity move in the meridians. Include Zhan Zhuang, Zuo Chan, Wo Gong, Xing Gong.

2, Control Breath is to smooth breath to inhale fresh Qi and exhale dirty qi to pure and tonify internal Qi. Qi Gong breath should smooth, long, deep, slow etc., the Qi directons include up down open close in out spiral turning etc., Also breathing ways include Chest breath, abdomen breath, opposite abdomen breath, nature breath. Lift Ren1, Du1 breath, speech real sound to breath.

3, Control mind

1, relax mind to relax body.

2, enter the deep level quiet pure empty mind.

3, focus the points to gather the Qi into the points and sooth and active Qi move in the meridians.

4, meditation on breath, movement, scene to calm down shen and advance practice shen’s power.

Qi Gong practice important gists

1, relax and naturely be quiet.

2, flexible and correct movements.

3, Yi and Qi connect each other, Yi is mind, Qi is breath, mind and breath should be coordinate together, use mind lead qi to move, qi move then the blood will move smoothly, the blood move smoothly the body will health.

4, Through body breath and mind control practice Qi Gong to tonify body energy for health. Sedate body sick energy out of body for health.

5, Step by step gradually to practice Qi Gong, do not too tight, tension, tired and uncoordinate limbs, follow the correct way to keep go on practice Qi gong and get body healthy.

6, Use body posture to smooth Qi, use breath to active Qi, use meditation to direct Qi.

The Sects of Qi Gong

Qi Gong has a long history and has many kind of styles. Qi Gong mainly has five big sects: Daoism (Jing Qi Shen and Xing Ming Shuang Xiu)Qi Gong, Budhhism(religious discipline, quiet, intelligent) Qi Gong, Traditional Chinese Medicine(health and treatment) Qi Gong, Confucius(Mainly Study on Yi Ching, Yin Yang and Tian Ren He Yi theory) Qi Gong, and Traditional Chinese Martial Arts(combined above 4 sects, strong body Yi, Qi, Li, Xing, strong body internal organs, muscle, tendons and bones with body flexibility for defense in martial arts, mainly has Shao lin, Wudang, E Mei, Zi Ran Men…. Qi Gong etc.) Qi Gong. Also there are five sects from the different ways of practicing: Dao Yin(lead Qi move in body’s meridians) Qi gong, Tu Na(inhale fresh Qi and exhale dirty Qi) Qi Gong, Jing Ding(Quiet thoughtless meditation) Qi Gong, Cun Xiang(pure steam of consciousness mediation) Qi Gong , Zhou Tian(Active the Qi circuit in the meridians) Qi Gong.



TCM Qi Gong

TCM Qi Gong created by the Chinese people in the long process of life, labor and fight against diseases, has the functions of preventing and help curing diseases, protecting and strengthening health and prolonging life. It is Chinese’s cultural heritage as well as a component part of traditional Chinese medicine.

In ancient times Qi Gong has various names such as “Xing Qi”(active qi in meridians), “Fu Qi”or “Shi Qi”(eat Qi), “Tu Na”(inhale fresh Qi, exhale dirty Qi), “Dao Yin”( lead Qi move in meridians), “An Qiao”( massage Qi move in meridians), “Shu Shu”( breath counting techniques for meditation), “Zuo Chan/Jing Zuo”(sitting meditation), Zhan Zhuang(standing meditation), “Wo Gong”(sleep Qi Gong) etc..

Qi Gong’s functions

1, Sooth meridians Qi, harmony Qi and Blood circulation.

2, Tonify health Qi, sedate sick Qi, balance body yin yang energy.

3, Active body Qi, create intelligent power.

The trait of Qi Gong

1, Simply easy to learn, there are various different kinds of Qi Gong.

2, Gently slowly movements to practice, move and quiet alternately.

3, Good for Self practice, three control as one(body, breath, and mind).
Regards
Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac.
http://www.latcmwellnesscenter.com ]]> General Discussion feng http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?113-Qi-Gong-Basic-Techniques-and-Sects Practitioner Advertising http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?112-Practitioner-Advertising&goto=newpost Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:49:46 GMT There is a book called A guide to starting your own complementary therapy practice, by Elaine Aldred, in which she states that it is the consensus... There is a book called A guide to starting your own complementary therapy practice, by Elaine Aldred, in which she states that it is the consensus among complementary therapists that Yellow Pages and Thomson Local are highly effective forms of advertising. However, I have spoken to two acupuncturists and one physiotherapist who told me the inverse, and my experience has been the same as theirs. Since Ms Aldred offers no statistics in support of her statement, in lieu of that, I wonder if anyone on this forum would be willing to share their experiences with these forms of advertising? ]]> General Discussion ericcartman http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?112-Practitioner-Advertising Qi Gong Basic Theory http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/showthread.php?111-Qi-Gong-Basic-Theory&goto=newpost Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:49:50 GMT The Qi Gong Basic Theory by Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac. 04/28/2013 1,Qi Gong and Yin Yang Exhale is Yang, inhale... The Qi Gong Basic Theory

by Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac. 04/28/2013

1,Qi Gong and Yin Yang

Exhale is Yang, inhale is Yin, Exhale is Xie(sedate), inhale is Bu(tonify), external Qi is yang, internal Qi is Yin. So Yang fire rise up patient need more exhale to sedate fire Qi, Yang deficiency Qi sink patient need more inhale to tonify the Yang Qi not loose body Qi to outside. In one year, spring is warm, summer is hot, autumn is cool, winter is cold, so, practice Qi gong should tonfiy Yang Qi at spring and summer, and tonify yin Qi at autumn and winter.

2, Qi Gong and meridians

The Qi Gong of “Heavenly Circuit”is to lead Qi move in Du and Ren channels or 12 meridians and extra eight special meridians. About “Ascending, Descending, Opening and Closing”, for example: Ascending is to lift qi from Kd1 to Du20, Descending is to pull down the Qi from Du20 to Kd1. Opening is to open the Ren17 Qi to Pc6, Close to to gether the Qi from limbs to Dantian.



3, Qigong and Zhang Fu

(1)The heart control mental activities, also control blood channels, Qi Gong relax and concentrate Yi to focus on Dantian can regulate the mind into deep quiet condition, this can make Qi nourish brain nerve system and open the potential intelligent power of brain. Qi Gong can strong heart Qi shows on the pulse will become gentle and forceful.

(2)The lung control the Qi and breath. Qi Gong breath can inhale the sky and earth essence Qi into body, and exhale out the Zang Fu dirty Qi. Tonify body Yuan Qi and push sooth whole body Qi and Blood movements, active whole body Zang Fu with limbs meridians enerqi function to be good condition.

And lung is descent Qi kidney is gather the Qi, this is why Qi Gong need deep smoothly long with abdomen breath to get the Qi into lower Dantian.

Nose is the lung’s door, Qi Gong use nose breath good for health the lung Qi connect to kidney qi will tonify the kidney essence Qi, strong body yuan yang and essence Qi.

(3)Liver store blood and control emotion, like sooth emotion hate depression emotion. If the liver Qi stagnation or Liver Fire up angry will hurt liver function, Qi Gong relax and calm down emotion will sooth liver Qi and pull the liver yang down with nourish liver yin enerqi. Sooth emotion good for health, but during angry or bad emotion is not good for practice Qi Gong.

(4)Spleen is for transport and transform nutrition. Saliva is the excretion of the spleen. Qi Gong can increase the saliva help good appetite and digestion function of spleen stomach. The Qi Gong’s abdomen breath will help the movement of diaphragm to massage the stomach muscles good for digestive functions of stomach.

(5)The kidneys on the lower back each side of one, left one is kidney water, right side is Ming Men fire. The acupoint Ming Men is in the middle of Kidney is lower back Dantian, so it include Fire and water enerqi inside, it control the whole body Zhang Fu yin yang enerqi source, Qi Gong practice breathing and meditation on Dantian will tonify Ming Men fire, warm spleen earth, help spleen transfer nutrition to nourish Zhang Fu. Tonify kidney Yin to nourish liver yin, calm down liver fire yang, connect heart Qi good harmony heart fire, also reception of lung Qi to strong body health.



What is Dan Tian?

Feng Mei 02/12/11

What is Dan Tian in Qi Gong? Dan means energy center, Tian means field, Dan Tian means energy field center.

In Qi Gong we have upper Dan Tian, middle Dan Tian and lower Dan Tain. Upper Dan Tian is in Yin Tang location inside 3 cun, called “Zu Qiao”, it is also called spirit center, middle Dan Tian is inside Ren 17 location, called “Jiang Gong”, it is also called Qi center, lower Dan Tian is inside Ren 4 location, it is also called essent center. Spirite center is people's mind power center, Qi center is human being after birth energy center, Essence center is human being pre-birth energy center. Usually meditation “Dan Tian” is on Lower Dantian, because Daoism believe Lower dantian is the Du Ren and Chong meridians real source, is the real control center of the yuan Qi’s open, close, up and down movements. And is the foundation of Zang Fu, is the root of 12 meridians, it combine the yin and yang energy, it is the real gate of respiration, the fire and water energy all inside lower dantian, for male to reproductive essence, for female to nourish fetus. The energy of Dantian can prevent and cure sickness and build body health.

Above Dantian is on the head, if the patient Qi sink or deficiency and fear of cold wind, also with blood deficiency hypotension, it is good for meditation on above Dantian. But upper Dantian near the brain center nerve system, and it is easy to run fire cause mental problem need be careful. If patient’s Qi easy goes up or heart liver yang fire rise up with hypertension, these kind of patient should not meditation on upper dantian, should meditation on lower Dantian.

Lower dantian Qi too much will cause Qi sink, not good for hernia patient to practice. For center qi sink with hypermenorrhea female patient should meditation on middle Dantian.

Middle dantian on the chest but easy cause Qi stuck(stagnation) in lung, so need be careful and sooth the Qi circulation.

About three passes

Three passes is the three places difficult for Qi go up through the Du channel. They are Weilu(Coccyx) on Du1, Jiaji(Clipping Spine) on Du4,6,11, Yuzhen(Jade Occiput)Du16.

About internal Qi and external Qi

Internal Qi is inside body such as Yuan Qi, Ying Qi and Zong Qi.

External Qi is the Qi outside body such as Wei Qi, air, oxygen and five elements Qi etc..

External Qi in Qi gong also called raw Qi before breath inside body. External Qi after breath inside the body through qi gong exercise will become internal Qi.

Exteranl Qi breath into body and meditation on Ren 17 will become Zong Qi.

Exteranl Qi breath into body and meditation on Ren6 will mixed with Yuan Qi and increase Yuan Qi.
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Additional in TCM meridian system

Assume:

1yang is Tai Yang meridian;

2yang is Shao Yang meridian;

3yang is Yang Ming meridian.

And:

1yin is Tai Yin meridian;

2yin is Shao Yin meridian;

3yin is Jue Yin meridian.

Based on after heaven Bagua map:

The six meridians transference:

Yang meridians: 1 > 3 > 2

So it is : Tai Yang > Yang Ming > Shao Yang

Yin meridians: 1 > 2 > 3

So it is : Tai Yin > Shao Yin > Jue Yin

Regards
Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac.
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