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Dennis
01.11.2007, 02:13 AM
Dear Attilio,
I have just started reading the article by Dian Bang Shi, Disorders ofthe Spleen and Stomach", which you translated.
First of all I would like to congratulate you on translating and makingavailable such information which is always a valuable contribuition tous all.

I trancribe below the beginning of Part Two of the said article:

"In yin and yang theory, zang is yang and fu is yin; spleen is yangearth and stomach is yin earth, although the Spleen and Stomachboth have yang and yin. This is very useful in clinical patterndifferentiation and when devising a treatment strategy."

Chinese Medicine always surprises us with some strange ideas andinverse methods of seeing things, so one must always be open to newways things are presented to us. However, I must admit that I am rathersurprised to see the statement: spleenis yang earth and stomach is yin earth.
Could you be so kind as to confirm thisassertion or, if it is another way of seeing things, could you explain.
Thanking you in advance for your kind attention, I remain
Yours sincerely
Dennis Linhares Barsted

attilio
01.11.2007, 10:38 AM
Hi Dennis,

This is a further breakdown of Yin and Yang theory, which Prof Shi has found useful in clinical practice. As you know, both the Spleen and Stomach are a paired set of organs and correspond to the element Earth. Within this, Yin and Yang can be further sub divided with Spleen being Yang and Stomach Yin.

Spleen Yang Qi is well known to uplift the Middle Jiao, whilst Stomach Yin is important in helping the rotting and ripening of foods in the Stomach.

Alas, i can't give more info than that, sorry.

chineseherbs
01.11.2007, 10:51 PM
hi Dennis,
This past weekend in my DAOM class, lectures from two great teachers helped me to clear-up a difficulty i always had with the "Eight Principles" idea. A small but important "lightbulb" went off in my head. Hope you find it helpful as well.

One teacher pointed out that, 8-principles as we learn in school is really 6 principles (3 dimensions), with Yin-Yang as a summarizing idea.
- Exterior vs. Interior.
- Hot vs. Cold.
- Excess vs. Deficiency.
"Yang vs. Yin" is just a summary.

Then in our discussion of Shang Hun/Jin Gui formulas, another teacher emphasized that Up vs. Down is a critical dimension of thinking in TCM Physiology (best examples found in harmonizing formulas). He explained that 8-principles should really be as follows --
- Ext. v. Int.
- Hot v. Cold.
- Excess v. Def.
- Up v. Down.
With Yang & Yin still as a overall summarizing concept.

Viewing disease patterns along these 4 different dimensions provides a more clear picture. Hope you find this updated version of 8-principles helpful as I do.

~edith

--
Edith Chan, L.Ac.
Phone: 415.298.5324
www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com (http://www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com)

On 11/1/07, attilio wrote:Hi Dennis,

This is a further breakdown of Yin and Yang theory, which Prof Shi has found useful in clinical practice. As you know, both the Spleen and Stomach are a paired set of organs and correspond to the element Earth. Within this, Yin and Yang can be further sub divided with Spleen being Yang and Stomach Yin.

Spleen Yang Qi is well known to uplift the Middle Jiao, whilst Stomach Yin is important in helping the rotting and ripening of foods in the Stomach.

Alas, i can't give more info than that, sorry.